Dmytri Kleiner via nettime-l on Fri, 4 Apr 2025 15:14:36 +0200 (CEST)
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<nettime> Me And My AI (Was Re: the destruction is the point.)
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April 4, 2025 at 11:15 AM, "Gary Hall via nettime-l" <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:
> spell-checkers, search engines, laptops, software packages, web servers,
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> email lists … Isn't LLM AI just one of its latest members?
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I vote yes.
There is a lot to discuss and experiement with wrt to LLMs.
There are certainly problems, I've noted the economic problems many years ago, since they don't create value, they will not be able to sustain investment. (old, but core logic remains: https://dmytri.surge.sh/disabilities/)
There are is course the issue of "plaigarism," which of course many of us old GNUbies, copy(far)lefters and pirates see differently, then the property rights crowd, while still insisting that artists should be supported.
There are the ecological factors.
But also the aesthetic factors, LLM affect, play and deconstruction.
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