Re: <nettime> the destruction is the point.

[Anne Roth via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

Dear all,

I don't think anyone benefits from these types of emails that reek of male 'I'm cooler than you'.

You might want to take this off list.

Anne

Am 4. April 2025 11:22:54 MESZ schrieb Dmytri Kleiner via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>:
>April 4, 2025 at 10:44 AM, "Caspar Clemens Mierau via nettime-l" <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:
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>> I was surprised – and to be honest, a bit concerned – by the decision to outsource a response to Byfield’s text to an LLM.
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>This is the fully automated luxury communism we where promised. I'll respond to concise, substantive arguments, technolgical advancement has freed us from the chains of needing to respond to gibberish.
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>If you disagree with DeepSeek, let me know why. Usefully, it's very accurate in this case.
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>The conclusion presented is:
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>**Byfield’s critique is gibberish** insofar as it misrepresents the text’s purpose and sidesteps its core argument. The text isn’t dismissing action – it’s explaining why capitalism *forces* action into channels that serve profit.
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>No lies detected.
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>I also asked Manus earlier to do a fact check of my original post.
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>It produced a whole PDF, all of which is fairly well done (ask if you want a copy), and included this summary, far supperior to Byfield's human effort.
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>FACT-CHECK: Economic Claims About Billionaires, Capital Destruction, and Profit Rates
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>After thorough research, I find that:
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>The economic mechanisms described (capital destruction, labor discipline, market concentration) are well-supported by evidence. Trump's tariffs cost U.S. companies $1.7 trillion in stock value, Tesla's stock declined 36-41% in 2025, and X was devalued from $44B to $33B.
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>Labor market data shows 81% of U.S. workers worried about job loss in 2025, with lower-income households experiencing slower wage growth. Consumer pessimism about unemployment is at a 10-year high.
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>Industry consolidation is increasing, with multiple consulting firms projecting more M&A activity in 2025, particularly in tech and healthcare sectors.
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>While the economic mechanisms are empirically verifiable, claims about intentionality ("to reinflate profit rates") and systemic necessity ("capitalism demands sacrifice") represent interpretive frameworks rather than empirically verifiable facts.
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>The text presents a coherent economic analysis from a Marxist perspective. The empirical evidence supports many of the economic mechanisms described, though the interpretive framework about intentionality represents one economic perspective among several possible interpretations of the same phenomena.
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